Students frustrated

Published Friday November 14th, 2008
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Student demonstrations were held at universities across the province Thursday, sending a message to government about student debt.

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STUDENTs upset: Representatives of the University of New Brunswick Student Union held a rally at UNB on Thursday to protest student debt. Above, Jon O'Kane, vice-president external, addresses the crowd.

At a rally at UNB, Jon O'Kane, vice-president external of the University of New Brunswick Student Union, said he is frustrated with the financial aid system.

"A survey of debt accumulated to date by UNB's current student population totals more than $8 million and we're still hearing back from other students," O'Kane said. "The average debt of a New Brunswick student after a four-year program is $34,000. That's $10,000 more than the national average. This is unacceptable."

O'Kane said the New Brunswick Student Alliance, an organization that represents six universities and one community college in the province, is lobbying the government to replace the financial aid structure with a system that caps the amount of debt students can accumulate at $24,000.

Money from programs, such as the $2,000 bursary for first-year New Brunswick students and the $10,000 tuition rebate program, could be reallocated to cap student loans at $6,000, O'Kane said.

"Students requiring funding beyond that amount should receive a non-repayable loan from the government. This way we wouldn't be giving grants to every student, just those who need it."

But Neil Cole, vice-president external of UNB's graduate students association, said students shouldn't have to graduate with any debt.

"The student alliance is lobbying for student debt to be reduced to $24,000 and while it's good to challenge the government on this, I don't think $24,000 is reasonable either," Cole said.

"The graduate students association feels we should be putting pressure on the government to fund post-secondary education directly so that tuition fees can be reduced and eventually eliminated. That's a better alternative."

Anthony Secco, UNB's vice-president of academics, said he commends students for organizing demonstrations to put pressure on government.

He said making post-secondary education more accessible is something the university community supports.

"In terms of accessibility, the university is really doing all it can," Secco said.

"(UNB) really does want to get a handle on tuition fees, but providing the education students deserve requires some financial input.

"I do think it's a responsible move that students have taken - not only here but in other campuses - to have these rallies and bring this to the attention of those who need to know."

The UNB student union met with the new deputy minister of post-secondary education last week to talk about ways the province can move toward a more affordable education system.

O'Kane said he hopes the meeting was the first of many.

"The government has seen students across the province rally in support of a better financial aid system and now we need action on their part," O'Kane said. "We hope that the government will make this a priority and create a long-term plan to address student financial aid."

The provincial government released an action plan earlier this year for improving post-secondary education.

It said the government plans to announce measures to enhance student financing in time for the 2009-10 academic year.

 

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having graduated from UNB not that long ago i know what it is like to pay for my education. also i attended college in the US. compared to American colleges/universities we in NB and Canada are very fortunate. my experience with Canadian students is that their dept can be kept much lower by some fiscal restraint. the numbers they are showing include housing, travel, food, entertainment as well as tuition and books. students who watch their pennies can easily keep the costs below the national average. it is those students who like to "live it up" that see increased debt. be thankful that we have a great education system here in Canada. if you were in the states you could easily have a debt of 200,000 dollars.
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lewis c, outerlimits on 14/11/08 08:08:11 AM AST
I'm sorry but it's $34,000.00 they won't think twice about spending that on a car. I'm a little tired of hearing about this. They want the education then pay for it. Besides why don't they go into trades program a lot cheaper and these jobs are in demand. I couldn't afford university,neither could my mom and dad afford to send me,so I didn't go. My wife went she worked full time all summer,she worked part time in the winter and she didn't party her money away. She came out of university debt free. If you want to know why many of then are in debt check out sweetwaters or the 20/20 club you will see where there money goes. You want that job that starts out @ $50,000.00 a year then pay for the education to get you there.
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Bruins Fan Still hoping, Fredericton on 14/11/08 08:26:30 AM AST
"a system that caps the amount of debt students can accumulate at $24,000"

Do they not realize how insane that is? They honestly think they deserve to get unlimited education for $24,000? If that's the case I should go back to university and spend the rest of my life collecting degrees.

So, I could go get a Business degree with an MBA and a Computer Science degree with a Masters and tack on a B.Ed. on top of that then go to medical school and then to law school. That's about 20 years of school at around $170,000 since $34,000 over 4 years is $8500/year.

$170,000 of education for $24,000? Sign me up!
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Anonymous Anonymous, Fredericton on 14/11/08 10:26:31 AM AST
While I do agree that the system could be improved, I do also agree with the comments of this article. I think that some of these students need to get out into the real world to realize that their logic in this proposition is in fact flawed.
I was privileged that my Father did help some with my University, but he refused to help with it all, so that I would know the value of my education. That being said, I worked full time (sometimes 2 jobs) during the summer, and part time as a waitress during the school year. I came out with relatively no debt to my name, and boy do I appreciate what I have!
I worked for what I received, and finished my degree on the Dean's List in my last year. There is no reason that other students cannot do the same.
My suggestion? Maybe some sort of incentives to help pay back students loans, work with interest rates, lower tuition costs etc. A cap on the amount of debt that a student can accumulate will only encourage irresponsible spending.
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E. D, Moncton on 14/11/08 11:37:27 AM AST
Unfortunately a mixture of poor reporting and readers only reading half of the story has led to misled commentary thus far.

Plain and simple, education - be it to university, community college or any trade education - needs to be more accessible and these students are fighting for it. $6000 is a debt cap per year, and the $24,000 amount would be a cap given an average four year degree. This suggestion goes hand in hand with the suggestion of reallocating the funds that the provincial government is using for first-year grants and tax rebates, which are ineffective and misguided attempts at affecting student debt. The solutions being proposed are more flexible than is being reported.
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Informed Observer, Fredericton on 14/11/08 01:09:55 PM AST
Informed Observer, I would like some more clarification. How exactly does the debt cap work? I'm a little bit confused about what they are proposing. Even the way I am reading it in your response, it does not really sound any different than the way that I read it in the article. Is the proposal to have an average debt per student of $6,000/year, and the government steps in if the average exceeds this amount? I'm sure you and I can both agree that $6000.00 across the board does not make sense. I can remember some of my friends in University drinking their student loans away..... not so sure I would want to finance that as a taxpayer today.
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E. D, Moncton on 14/11/08 01:40:08 PM AST
Well informed Observer,I went back over the article read it again and I'll stand by what I said. And by the way Trade education is very accessible, you can even be paid to take the course and have the tuition paid also by your employer,I know this because we do it all the time. See trades mean work! Real work! And todays youth just don't find that attractive.
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Bruins Fan Still hoping, Fredericton on 14/11/08 01:46:07 PM AST
E.D., the debt cap means putting a cap on the limit that the government could loan provincially and federally (NB we offer integrated loans). The government loan - or the portion that would need to be repaid - would max out at $6000. If the government, in its assessment of the student's financial need, saw the student's financial need as greater than $6000 that year, the difference would be given in the form of a non-repayable grant. When I took out gov't loans a few years ago, the cap was about $11,000. This would simply ease the amount that would need to be repaid for students.

The difference in cost from the government could be reallocated from the money spent on the $2000 first year students' grant and the post-graduation tax rebate for NB graduates. No harm to the taxpayers - just a funding shift. This is what the student groups are looking for, according to their literature. Again, poor reporting.

And Bruins fan - yes, the trades route needs to be examined more by young people.
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Informed Observer, Fredericton on 14/11/08 03:06:44 PM AST
I've seen many protests and appeals over the years related to student debt and the cost of secondary education yet costs continue to climb and debt countinues to mount. Students and others for whom the cost of secondary eduaction is a priorty should form a voting block. Speak to politicians in terms they understand: Votes.

Vote for Climate is an intesting model for building a voting block to further a particular cause: http://www.voteforclimate.ca/en/
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D. P., Vancouver on 14/11/08 06:02:27 PM AST
Thank you, Informed Observer. How you have described the proposed debt cap by the NBSA and its members is indeed what we are lobbying on.

This proposal is not asking for more taxpayers' money, it is asking the government to invest in student financial aid programs that are actually efficient and effective at helping those that need it most. Included in the financial aid recommendations is one to target students who have already graduated and are having trouble with repayment. The NBSA recognizes that life-long learning is important and that a post-secondary education has effects before, during and after the actual studies.

You can contact the office with any questions (director@nbsa-aenb.ca).
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H. E., Fredericton on 17/11/08 10:19:43 PM AST
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