Poker prizes 'too low'

Published Monday May 4th, 2009

Charities | Organizers say more money needs to be up for grabs

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Organizers of local charity poker tournaments are calling on the province to ease up on the rules governing such events.

Paul Wentzell, poker chairman with UCT Fredericton, said the service club has run three charity Texas Hold 'Em poker tournaments since the province passed new legislation last year.

However, he said, interest in those tournaments has dropped off and the service club had to cancel a fourth event planned for April.

The reason, Wentzell said, is that poker players aren't interested in the tournaments because the prize pools are so low.

Under provincial legislation, only 35 per cent of entry fees can go to the prize pool at these charity tournaments, while 45 per cent goes to charity and 20 per cent to cover costs.

Wentzell said poker players who pay $50 or more to play in a tournament want to see a better potential return on their money with bigger prize pools.

He's written the bureaucrat in charge of licensing and governing charity poker tournaments, suggesting that the rules change to allow for 65 per cent to go to the prize pool, 25 per cent for charity and 10 per cent for costs.

Wentzell said he's certain the government developed the original prize pool restrictions to ensure that charities got as much support and help as possible.

But if there's no interest as a result and tournaments are cancelled, charities end up getting nothing, he said.

Wentzell has discussed the issue with other tournament organizers, and they're having similar experiences, he said.

"I think all of the organizers are pretty much on the same page," he said.

Ben Sullivan is in charge of charity poker tournaments for the Marysville Legion.

Since the new legislation was brought in last year, he's run two charity tournaments at the Marysville Legion and two at the legion on Queen Street.

He also has one in the works for May 9 at the Oromocto Legion.

"Our numbers are falling all the time," Sullivan said, noting many players are turning to home games because the prize pools for formal charity tournaments are too small.

Furthermore, when the new casino opens in Moncton next year, it will no doubt offer poker tournaments with prize pools in the range of 80 to 90 per cent of the entry fees, he said.

Wentzell said he believes the chances are good that the government will consider the proposed changes because the Department of Public Safety contacted him for input.

Another issue he hopes can be addressed, he said, is that of sponsorship.

The regulations prohibit the use of any sponsorship money in charity tournaments.

Wentzell said he wants sponsorship money to be permitted and divided up on the same percentage basis as the entry fees.

Daniel Lessard, a spokesman with the Department of Public Safety, said the government has no position on suggestions that the prize pool rules be changed.

"We are going to consider all feedback we receive from the charities," he said.

"Our only position is to ensure that suggestions from the charities on what improvements could be made are heard and considered in any future changes."

The province will consider the sponsorship money issue as well, he said.

"We are currently reviewing the terms and conditions for charitable Texas Hold 'Em tournaments, and how sponsorship impacts prize pools is something that will be taken under consideration," Lessard said.

Wentzell said he also wants to get the charities more involved in poker events.

He said the next UCT poker tournament is tentatively scheduled for May 23, and the group is going to try something new. It's going to be a "name your charity" tournament, meaning players will be able to specify the charity they want their money to benefit.

 

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Trust me the government has systematically taken non-profit gambling money from local communities for years. Since VLT's. This trend will continue with the new casino.
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D. Breeze, Bathurst on 04/05/09 06:44:58 AM ADT
Paul, man, what happened to your hair? It's not what it was on Graham Ave, man.
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Penny Less, Saint John on 04/05/09 09:29:00 AM ADT
The problem with changing this is that the province did not put much effort into this to begin with. They just adopted (copied word for word) another provinces rules and made them their own. I believe it is Saskatchewan.

If I spend $100 to enter a poker tournament and my return for playing 5 or 6 hours (probably more) is $35, that's just not a sound investment, even for a gambler. I agree that it is for charity, but if no one plays, no one makes money for charity or plays. We are then left with the police and RCMP threatening to shutdown home games and privately run tournaments even they take just enough (5%) to break even. Once the casino somes to town and the current rules are left in place, no one will be able to use that revenue steam for charities.
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Fred Resident, Fredericton on 04/05/09 10:40:42 AM ADT
ALL IN !! well, I think it is time for the province to take a hard look at this. Many charities are missing out due to low numbers playing in organized charity games.

cheers

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Model Town, Oromocto on 04/05/09 10:57:23 AM ADT
Stick to home/online games to win your money. Seems pointless to go into these events if your looking to make a buck. I mean 35% is a bit ridiculous. If you want to make a donation to a charity write a check, at least that way you will get to help out the charity of your choice. No wonder they had to cancel their last tourny. Not trying to take out the good will of the tournament but I mean your dealing with poker player's here, they can find other games in a blink of an eye, which means if you don't raise the % of the prize pool your not going to get very far.
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Roger Rabbit, Fredericton on 04/05/09 01:00:52 PM ADT
If you spend $100 to enter the contest, and your prize is $35, then you have a major problem, because you're the only player.

Seriously, go back and read the story again.
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Penny Less, Saint John on 04/05/09 01:12:52 PM ADT
Sorry. The portion of your $100 entry that you can potentially win back is $35. How's that?

50 players at $100.

1st - $1000
2nd - $500
3rd - $250

Charity - $2250

To cover expenses - $1000
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Fred Resident, Fredericton on 04/05/09 01:57:33 PM ADT
Fred Resident breakdown is acurate although most tournaments choose to pay 10% of the players so in his breakdown might be

1st-$1000
2nd- $400
3rd$ $150
4th- $50
5th-$50
Also regulation require that any left over expenses got to charity.

Anyone wishing to know more about upcoming UCT Poker projects can contact
pwentzell@radioatl.ca

Paul Wentzell
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Poker Guy, Fredericton on 04/05/09 02:23:27 PM ADT
I understand your trouble with hosting a tournament when the prize structure does not attract players. I imagine if you have 50 players it would be OK. Seeing as some had to be cancelled, I imagine they were lower, hence lower prizes than mentioned above. It would be hard to attract anyone to a tournament when the top 2 prizes are the only ones that pay out more than you paid to enter.

I hope you are successful getting the legislation changed.
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Fred Resident, Fredericton on 04/05/09 04:04:22 PM ADT
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